I've noticed from reading this site that the race topics tend to turn into a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" sort of situation, especially here. On the note of black vs. white servants, I think the region of the U.S. was important to that question. I mean Jennifer Lopez maid in manhattan was offensive for all latinos not only the ones who leave un USA but for latinos in all the continent. The blind seer Mama Odie reminds me of Minerva (played by Irma P. Hall) from "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil". Voiced most times by Jenifer Lewis. Maybe. When you wish upon a [...], [...] step closer to a fat, queer, disabled princess—or at least a Black princess devoid of racial stereotyping? Christ...So by the logic of 'gwen' you can't even portray black people as maids, heroes, villians, stereotype them or anything in a movie, especially not a family movie ala Dizney? And in 1930's Southern America, there were more black people than anywhere else in the country, and one of the commonest jobs for black people at that time was in the service industry. Mama Odie is an eccentric, humorous, and kindly voodoo priestess who despite having great power, encourages people to “dig deeper” and doesn’t use her power to grant wishes. Oh no! People are still going to scream and yell and say it's playing on stereotypes and is racist in one way or another. They did this with Pocahontas and Mulan with mixed results----different cultures in Disney films are often shown as "old-fashioned" and somehow oppressing the protagonist, regardless of historical accuracy, but in the cases of the above two films they're telling stories of women who defied the accepted norm, so it has to be that way. Of course one doesn't want to perpetuate the stereotype of the cheerful black maid who loves nothing better than tending to her employer at the expense of her own individuality; but is depicting a black teenager as a maid, in a story set in a time and place where black teenagers were quite likely to be maids and maids were quite likely to be black teenager, always off limits? Did Disney recut the trailer, or was I imagining things? Oh, Disney. I just finished reading an FDR biography which had one anecdote that really stuck with me. The … I'm more concerned with how voodoo, more appropriately called Vodun, will be portrayed. The main example. Will Princess Tiana Be Human or Frog in Splash Mountain? These two are incredibly fun characters that are full of energy. So many childhood memories tainted as soon as I got old enough to think critically about what I was seeing on screen! I went to Tiana and showed my daughter the new princess. Mama Odie is just as fantastic in other ways. In the absence of a concerted, thoughtful effort to avoid reproducing them, it’s not surprising that problematic elements show up in TV shows, movies, and so on. My concern is that she is separated and not included with the others. In its crassest forms, yes, it can be ugly, derogatory and improper. There was no in between, there were no characters at all- just die-cut stereotypes. ***SPOILERISH OVER***, - The parental race/gender roles: When I watched the movie, both parents seemed equally nurturing and inspirational, but I suspect that they get those labels because the mother is alive throughout the whole film - so she remains a nurturing force, while the father serves as an inspiring memory. Now we do. I think the witch doctor character is problematic. We were in a bookstore that displayed 2010 calendars. When you wish upon a star… Image courtesy of Huffington Post This entry was posted in [...], [...] time I refused to watch it because I was under the biased assumption that it looked extremely racist. I have never seen The Princess and the Frog, but when I saw previews of this movie on t.v. Does the story tap into "black" stereotypes? I'm not a fan of the Princess genre in general, but I hope, for the sake of all the little black girls that never get to see themselves as the protagonist of a Disney film, that the film isn't super problematic. Images of the Mama Odie voice actors from the Princess and the Frog franchise. See went to the calendar with the six princesses. When the Roosevelts moved from New York to Washington, they, as was the custom at the time for the wealthy political class, brought their personal servants -- who were white -- with them from New York to work in the White House. Story Structure in The Princess and the Frog I love The Princess and the Frog. I have to say, I was concerned from the previews as well - but I think that Disney did an excellent job here, especially with their first black princess. Let's remind ourselves that this was culturally acceptable at the times when it was most blatant, and Disney was not the only company to use negative racial stereotypes----they were following their own cultural norm. A post shared by Philander Butler (@philanderc85) on Jul 31, 2020 at 3:40pm PDT. Sounds like a pretty great role model for any young girl, whether she be black, white, yellow, red, orange, green, purple, or any other shade of the rainbow. It is simply a means of communicating a fuller idea through a simpler form of description. You can typically find this Foodie looking for adventures in the great wide somewhere, dreaming of far off places or bringing a bit of faith, trust, and pixie dust to the table. I'm not too bothered by those screenshots you posted above. This movie's worth analyzing, but Gwen's commentary here is not among the most insightful I've read on this blog. 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He began his caption with: Since Tiana is heading on over to the back west side of the park, I think it’s time for more characters from her film to make an appearance and I couldn’t think of two greater choices than Charlotte and Mama Odie! - The voodoo thing: I already said this above somewhere, but I'll say it again - the film addresses both the dark side and the light side of Voodoo, both of which exist, as in any magic/k based religion. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. These two are incredibly fun characters that are full of energy. The “Mammy” figure, a happy-go-lucky servant pleased to take care of the White family she worked for, was applied exclusively to Black women. She could also carry around her special wand as well, similarly to the Fairy Godmother and grant her own special wishes for kids. I rather hope The Seeing Eye, Inc., who own the trademark for the term "Seeing Eye Dog", go after this. Mama Odie is a supporting character in The Princess and the Frog. It's a secret thing that Cajuns are modest and don't appear much but are actually smart and resourceful. Charlotte is one of my favorite side characters in the film. There absolutely is. Charlotte finds the story to be romantic, while Tiana proclaims she will never kiss a frog. Though incredibly sweet and motherly, Mama Od… We’re here for you. The characters are great, the animation is beautiful, the message/themes are motivational. The easily distracted, zany grandparent archetype would be excellent for meet and greets as well since she could give “interesting” advice about how to continue your day while in the parks. in all their movies. Something perhaps more interesting to note about this particular movie is that the Prince character is also non-white, but not African American, or for that matter, American at all. To avoid playing on racial stereotypes is one thing, but there's a point where you can run to the other end of the spectrum, which is -also- noted frequently on this blog: the absence of all cultural/ethnic difference to make all characters seem "white" and therefore some kind of "neutral. I really do. But her big I can’t quite recall. ***SPOILER OVER***. Disneyland and Walt Disney World announced the retheme of Splash Mountain from. "Pompous" (you somehow missed that descriptor in the deck of cards), rich, Colonel Sanders-style, spoiled, stupid white people who are too dumb to take care of themselves and too rich and stupid to realize how their position effects others. Walt Disney Animation Studios presents the musical THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG, an animated comedy set in the great city of New Orleans. Anyway, I think gwen is to stuck in his/hers own mindset and preconcived notions to see otherwise and the lot of you supporting this view is just as bad. Your email address will not be published. The crossword clue 'Mama ___ (priestess in The Princess and the Frog)' published 1 time⁄s and has 1 unique answer⁄s on our system. The easily distracted, zany grandparent archetype would be excellent for meet and greets as well since she could give “interesting” advice about how to continue your day while in the parks. Why don't they just add the fried chicken & watermelon?? I like that gal!” – Mama Odie 20. The film received mainly positive reviews and Princess Tiana has since become a beloved character, even popping up alongside the other Disney classic characters in … The setting is New Orleans, if I'm not mistaken, and yes, black people live in New Orleans. “Ooh! The movie takes place in New Orleans where the culture is rich and people talk a little different! …based on this trailer, the other things that Black people get to do are voodoo shit, playing jazz and dancing, and making jokes about their butts. An eccentric, sunny, wise woman who has great power and does not use it to grant wishes. But they fairly quickly transitioned, as a group, into other types of work. In 1966, Walt himself opened New Orleans Square when it became the first new “land” added to Disneyland park, so it feels natural to link the story and the incredible music of “The Princess and the Frog” to our parks. “Not bad for a 197-year-old blind lady.” – Mama Odie 18. And there’s nothing wrong with playing jazz or, for that matter, practicing voodoo (which could be seen as very similar to the magic that is so common in kids’ films). Find something that matters to complain about. I can already imagine the hilarious dialogue she would come up with while meeting families. She became this way due to her father giving her everything as a child, but her ditzy, diva personality is something we all fell in love with despite her acting self centered most of the time. changes need to be made, just sayin, Reaching...Reaching. Now that we finally have our one black princess, it's dissapointing because it seems they still haven't managed to break those stereotypes; plus it seems they will be hiding her ethnicity behind the exterior of a green frog for the majority of the movie. The movie website has a video game. The noteworthy aspect of this film, aimed at a mainstream audience, is that the female protagonist is African American. On the shelf sat the new Tiana calendar. they dont have any princess tiana dresses, and no provision for tiana. For the record, the protagonist is only African American for part of the movie; for a good chunk of it she’s a green frog. Mama Odie Philander also included why he thinks the voodoo priestess should make an appearance: Mama Odie is just as fantastic in other ways. Mama Odie met Yogi … Splash Mountain – at both Disneyland park in California and Magic Kingdom park in Florida – will soon be completely reimagined. What started as a tiny central Florida based website and short weekly podcast that provided our audience the opportunity to visit Walt Disney World virtually has grown to the publishing company it is today. It sends the message that race is not an issue and not something to be inhibited by. (It's really cool to see New Orleans in a cartoon though - to see the streecar I ride everyday make an appearance!). Gwen, (and many others here) great points. My daughter's response: "No, she is not a princess. Pfee, I'm starting to sound like a Dizney drone so gonna stop here. There are a lot of black characters, because (a)the main character is black and she has both black and white friends and family; and (b) there is a high concentration of black people in New Orleans - to paint New Orleans as being largely white would be pretty insensitive and would get a ton of criticism from the public. The new attraction will showcase the lovable and popular Disney Princess Tiana as she and Louis prepare for their first-ever Mardi Gras performance. New Orleans is a Creole area, not a Cajun area so that's a historical inaccuracy but that's not really that important compared to other inaccurate historical issues that Disney has created. At 16/17 I started watching Disney movies again (after maybe a decade) because I started babysitting my goddaughter. This is a double standard. I just realized this isn't the trailer I was talking about...no big butt jokes. The Princess and the Frog is a 2009 American animated musical fantasy romantic comedy film produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios and released by Walt Disney Pictures.The 49th Disney animated feature film, the film is loosely based on the novel The Frog Princess by E. D. Baker, which is in turn based on the Brothers Grimm fairy tale "The Frog Prince". One of the many reasons I love their friendship. I also love the general concensus among whites (and some dumb people of color): "You damn blacks got your cartoon with you in it, so stop complaining! The Princess and the Frog is a 2009 animated film based loosely on The Frog Princess by E.D. The kindly old voodoo priestess is eccentric and spunky, but also a fantastic sage, more than willing to give out advice in her own creative ways to those in need. She compliments Tiana perfectly despite the two having almost no similarities and being from completely different backgrounds. [...] couple will allow little girls to be open-minded when it comes to love. I wonder why Tiena being now a chef is offensive? Set in the lively city of New Orleans, the tale follows Tiana, a young woman who is working very hard to open her own restaurant. What about meet and greets? Let us know in the comments below. In New Orleans. She gets upset at this and later those racist characters get a mild comeuppance (mild because it's Disney, so, you know.). She could also carry around her special wand as well, similarly to the Fairy Godmother and grant her own special wishes for kids. In most Disney movies I have seen, there are many types of ethnic groups that have not yet come to stand out in Disney. So I'm not that worried. Dizney stereotyped rich old women, witches, stupid sidekicks, greedy eastern people etc. While I have zero clue as to wether or not these two will be making an appearance in the parks in any way, (Charlotte is part of a show on Disney Cruise Line) it would really be wonderful to see these amazing characters brought to life in the parks. Mama Odie is a kindly visually-challenged old voodoo priestess who lives deep in the swamps of Louisiana. Gina Carano Claps Back With ‘Princess Bride’ Quote. Sarah, get over yourself. Like songs they use "savages" from the movie "Pocahontas" or some sexual refrences that people have claimed to see in the Disney movies. It was my 3 1/2 year old daughter. Why does the prince have to be non-black? They NEED….BETTER have Ray in there!! Animation is limited in its means of depicting reality, and it must rely on certain levels of abstraction. Being a musician, Fantasia was probably my favorite Disney movie. There really aren't many black protagonists in t.v shows and movies of today. How fun would that be? Racism was quite common when it was released and not frowned upon as it is today. The Princess This movie’s worth analyzing, but Gwen’s commentary here is not among the most insightful I’ve read on this blog. If they had a movie set in New Orleans that -didn't- have jazz music, people would get upset because a big part of the culture is being ignored. We’ll do our best to help get you a solution really quickly so you can progress with your crossword puzzle. Meh. Such a figure is traditional in Louisiana créole folklore and beyond. It’s free content, people, and this is the first week of classes. Did not mean to tag-team with some of the same phrases there! You can't hold that against them. this floored me as the movie has been out for 3 yrs now..so i bought her a dress, im taking her to disney anyway and they;re gonna figure out how to make my beautiful little girl a tiana princess. How is it that you find qualities that represent African Americans, so well, amusing? An eccentric, sunny, wise woman who has great power and does not use it to grant wishes. - The toothless firefly is a representation of a Cajun stereotype. By using this site you agree to our privacy policy. I wonder why the setting couldn't be in "a land far away" or some fictional place. Another said, “Yes to all of it!!! We’ve seen Disney films with non-White protagonists before–“Mulan” and “Pocahontas,” for instance–but to my knowledge there haven’t been any with a Black main character, unless I guess you count the Uncle Remus stuff, and that’s just a whole lot of ick. That Fantasia had some elements of racism in it is to be expected. How’s your grandmama?” – Mama Odie 19. When "White America" gets the desperately needed dose of reality, they will understand and maybe better relate. Maybe. Baker. Eudora Tiana's mother, who is the best seamstress in all of New Orleans whose top client happens to be "Big Daddy" La Bouff. Or if they build a Tiana’s Place restaurant, maybe Charlotte could join Princess Tiana and Prince Naveen roaming around the area to meet with fans and Guests. I think it's super-important for Disney to be aware of the impact that their representations have upon people of colour. The Disney company has already distributed dozens of items that have either a single princess, three princesses, or six princesses. © 2005–2020 JAK Schmidt, Inc. All rights reserved. But as we have it now, all but one of the black Disney characters are villains, servants, or any other stereotype. From my viewing of the trailer, without knowing much else about the film, I think she's really reaching. During the beginning of her musical number she waves about her version of a magic wand Mama Odie, a two-hundred-year-old blind Bayou Fairy Godmother who lives deep in the Louisiana bayou with her "seeing-eye snake" Juju. One Instagram user @philanderc85 had a great idea of including two major characters who brought life to the film — Charlotte and Mama Odie! She is the voodoo queen of the bayou. Inside the Magic was created in 2005. I think that the point is, she's starting from a super-downtrodden position, and trying to achieve a lofty dream. Lewis has made several contributions to Disney. I think it's her glasses... We've never had a black Disney princess before. But then tumblr got to me, and I kept seeing posts that were incredibly too cute to pass [...]. We've learned to be modest overtime so people would live us alone and let us go about our business, but anyway. so Tiana will be the FIRST EVER Black Disney princess that little girls (black, white, brown) can look up to... anyway, it should be interesting to see what comes out of The Princess and the Frog. Tiana (Anika Noni Rose) and Prince Naveen (Bruno Campos) meet Mama Odie (Jenifer Lewis). When it comes to animation, including animated film, I recommend the works of Will Eisner (no relation to Michael) in particular his book Visual Storytelling and Graphic Narrative. But if handled well, I think it'll be a far better contribution than if they'd merely pasted darker skin tones into one of the boring princess-in-a-vaguely-European-castle stories with no additional cultural context. All of the characters, with the exception of the prince and the valet, have the accent, regardless of race. Disney has a long, long history of racism. The problem isn't that there isn't a white equivalent (BTW Fiona turns into a ogre during the night and does spend the majority of the movie as a human). She is a kindly voodoo priestess of great magical power, who lives deep in the swamps of Louisiana. I'm sure my list of sterotypes will grow once I've seen it in it's entirety. As someone above me said, yes, the villain character seems to be practicing voodoo, but the fairy godmother character seems to be a voodoo practitioner herself, and because of that I'm hoping that the use of voodoo to hurt others will be condemned by the benign magic user. “You gotta have Ray Ray in there too,” one commenter wrote. The people of New Orleans have a certain culture---jazz music and the practice of voodoo being part of it. Inside the Magic is your ultimate source for themed entertainment coverage. For instance, the fact that Tiana was originally going to be a maid wouldn’t, on the surface, necessarily be that different from “Cinderella,” in which the (White) protagonist is basically a maid. Mama Odie is a well-known woman throughout the bayou; Louis the Alligator refers to her as the "Voodoo Queen of the Bayou". Depicting Cinderella as a maid doesn’t play into pre-existing stereotypes of White women; it’s just an individual portrayal. If Disney came out with a new animated film with a white princess protagonist, the complaint would be that she's white. Kelly grew up as a complete Dis-nerd and visits the theme parks several times a year as an out-of-state WDW Annual Passholder. Suffice it to say I never played that video for her again. She compliments Tiana perfectly despite the two having almost no similarities and being from completely different backgrounds. [1] Retrieved November 19, 2020, from https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/27/race-and-gender-in-the-princess-and-the-frog/ […]. Mama Odie’s … These look very cool & historical without being patronizing or racist. The crossword clue possible answer is available in 4 letters.letters.  Charming. I love Lottie for all those reasons too. Let's wait until the film is out before we determine if there are any high crimes, but we might be well advised to not attack all perceived misdemeanors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnrIRIXjm6U. 1930's Southern America is a fine place to explore all of those things, and I'm sure that when you see the film you'll find you have plenty to object to by virtue of all the racial problems that they will inevitably have to gloss over. We know Princess Tiana and Louis will be included as the ride will follow both of them on a musical adventure, but who else could we see along the way? There are very few ways to do it "right" but hundreds of ways to be perceived as doing it "wrong." A frequent complaint on Sociological Images is this cultural idea that we cannot have a black protagonist: they are cast as the sidekicks, the villains, the sassy friends, et cetera. But of course, an image of a Black woman as a maid carries different connotations than that of a White woman doing the same job. African American women were stuck with jobs as maids a lot longer because of job discrimination. Here’s Mama Odie, the godmother figure, is a “seer” with a snake: These images and objections are interesting by themselves, but they also bring up some of the difficulties in portraying groups that have historically been stereotyped negatively and occupied a subordinate social status. - The big butt: I was pretty weirded out by that scene when I initially saw it in trailers, too, but in context it makes sense and isn't racist at all. She challenges Tiana and Naveen to 'dig deeper' in themselves and uses the same advice on all the individuals that seek her out, looking for a 'better' life via magic . As you may know, Disney has a movie coming out later this year called “The Princess and the Frog,” a retelling of the story of the princess who kisses a frog that then helpfully turns into a handsome prince for her to marry. #FireGinaCarano Goes Wild as Fans React to Capitol Riots, ‘The Mandalorian’: Gina Carano’s Cara Dune Could Be Recast or Removed Altogether, Disney+ to Reportedly Retcon ‘Star Wars’ Sequel Trilogy, Jon Favreau Reportedly Stops Disney From Firing ‘Mandalorian’ Star Gina Carano. Ideas will change, and to jump on the hot button of race and make a sensitive subject out of something that doesn't necessarily have to be one inhibits the creative reign of the Disney filmmakers, which will ultimately propagate more stereotypes and unhelpful representations of Disney characters of various non-white races. Would like to see Charlotte and Mama Odie wandering around Tiana’s new attraction?! The song "Savages" are used from both sides of the story. 1 Disney History 1.1 The Princess and the Frog 2 Appearance 3 Trivia 4 Gallery For pictures and screenshots of Mama Odie, see Mama Odie/Gallery. Depp Back on Board? Body: The characters that are depicted as desirable all conform to . The version I saw (when they rereleased it) no longer had the pickaninny character, but I immediately noticed that it *does* have the only identifiably "black" centaurs as zebra-bottomed slavegirls to Dionysus. Kids movies are the only thing redeeming about America, It just seems that Sarah is way off base with the reality of society. Read more…, CC Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike, Race and Gender in “The Princess and the Frog”. Complete Dis-nerd and visits the theme parks several times a year as an out-of-state WDW Annual.... It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. 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